| QUESTION from:Steve, Born Again Christian, Age 25-34, wrote on 7/31/2001: | |
| Hello There I am confused about the BOM and was hoping you could explain something to me I would like to know why the whole Scientific world can NOT find one piece of evidence about the language of "Reformed Egyptain" . The only eary Native American written language ever found is the Mayan in Yucatan. Archaeologist have found many ancient inscriptions thoughout the Americas but No "Reformed Egyptian" Egyptian or even Hebrew was everybody else illiterate except Book of Mormon Scribes? Jesus warned us not to be deceived by "counterfeits" in Matthew 7:22-23 | |
The prophet Mormon, I believe,
adequately addressed this item by
telling us that Reformed Egyption
was not a "proper name" of
something that was in wide use,
but he explained that it was their
very own system! A private
internal system of writing
shorthand Egyptian so that they
could fit more writings on metal
plates. An abbreviated written
Egyptian... Moroni said:
Mormon 9:32 And now, behold, we
have written this record according
to our knowledge, in the
characters which are called among
us the reformed Egyptian, being
handed down and altered by us,
according to our manner of speech.
33 And if our plates had been
sufficiently large we should have
written in Hebrew; but the Hebrew
hath been altered by us also; and
if we could have written in
Hebrew, behold, ye would have had
no imperfection in our record.
34 But the Lord knoweth the things
which we have written, and also
that none other people knoweth our
language; and because that none
other people knoweth our language,
therefore he hath prepared means
for the interpretation thereof.
No other people knew the system, therefore I would expect and not criticize that the "scientific world" has not discovered it. The plates were never allowed to be examined by the scientific world by the Lord's design: Isa. 29: 11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: If you are not aware of the account of a member of the "scientific community," a Professor Anthon, in which this scripture was fulfilled, read on: JS-H 1: 65 65 "He then said to me, 'Let me see that certificate.' I accordingly took it out of my pocket and gave it to him, when he took it and tore it to pieces, saying that there was no such thing now as ministering of angels, and that if I would bring the plates to him he would translate them. I informed him that part of the plates were sealed, and that I was forbidden to bring them. He replied, 'I cannot read a sealed book.' I left him and went to Dr. Mitchell, who sanctioned what Professor Anthon had said respecting both the characters and the translation." Read the full account here... So we see from Isaiah's writings in the Bible that the Lord did not intend for the learned to discover this sacred work, but that it would be brought forth by the unlearned (although let me say that Joseph Smith was nonetheless a brilliant and multi-talented prophet of God!) Joseph was uneducated in the institutions like Professor Anthon attended, but he was taught from on high. |
| QUESTION from:Julie Hollar, Born Again Christian, Age 35-49, wrote on 8/5/2001: | |
| I have talked to many missionaries and other LDS, and have asked them, "if given the choice, would you follow the teachings of the Bible, or the Book of Mormon...?" and without exception they say, "the Book of Mormon". Isn't that denying the sacredness of the Holy Writ? | |
Well, let me ask you a question.If given the choice, would you follow the teachings of the Old Testament, or the New Testament? Without exception I can already hear it: the New Testament, and it is obvious because someone who is professing the Born Again faith most definitely relies almost exclusively on the words of the prophet Paul, even more than Jesus' teachings, which is fine as far as Paul's writings go, but all must be tempered with all, and I would say that the Latter-day Saints rely pretty heavily on the CONTINUIM of scripture, which includes the Old Testament. We use it a lot. The Book of Mormon is just another part of the whole. We don't dismiss the Bible at all. But the Book of Mormon is the LATEST and greatest thing that the Lord Jesus Christ has brought forth to the world. Better read it and know what the Lord has said for us. Better read it very soon, like NOW. Jesus said to the Nephites:
2 Nephi 29:1 BUT behold, there
shall be many-at that day when I
shall proceed to do a marvelous
work among them, that I may
remember my covenants which I have
made unto the children of men,
that I may set my hand again the
second time to recover my people,
which are of the house of Israel;
2 And also, that I may remember
the promises which I have made
unto thee, Nephi, and also unto
thy father, that I would remember
your seed; and that the words of
your seed should proceed forth out
of my mouth unto your seed; and my
words shall hiss forth unto the
ends of the earth, for a standard
unto my people, which are of the
house of Israel;
3 And because my words shall hiss
forth-many of the Gentiles shall
say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got
a Bible, and there cannot be any
more Bible.
4 But thus saith the Lord God: O
fools, they shall have a Bible;
and it shall proceed forth from
the Jews, mine ancient covenant
people. And what thank they the
Jews for the Bible which they
receive from them? Yea, what do
the Gentiles mean? Do they
remember the travails, and the
labors, and the pains of the Jews,
and their diligence unto me, in
bringing forth salvation unto the
Gentiles?
5 O ye Gentiles, have ye
remembered the Jews, mine ancient
covenant people? Nay; but ye have
cursed them, and have hated them,
and have not sought to recover
them. But behold, I will return
all these things upon your own
heads; for I the Lord have not
forgotten my people.
6 Thou fool, that shall say: A
Bible, we have got a Bible, and we
need no more Bible. Have ye
obtained a Bible save it were by
the Jews?
7 Know ye not that there are more
nations than one? Know ye not that
I, the Lord your God, have created
all men, and that I remember those
who are upon the isles of the sea;
and that I rule in the heavens
above and in the earth beneath;
and I bring forth my word unto the
children of men, yea, even upon
all the nations of the earth?
8 Wherefore murmur ye, because
that ye shall receive more of my
word? Know ye not that the
testimony of two nations is a
witness unto you that I am God,
that I remember one nation like
unto another? Wherefore, I speak
the same words unto one nation
like unto another. And when the
two nations shall run together the
testimony of the two nations shall
run together also.
9 And I do this that I may prove
unto many that I am the same
yesterday, today, and forever; and
that I speak forth my words
according to mine own pleasure.
And because that I have spoken one
word ye need not suppose that I
cannot speak another; for my work
is not yet finished; neither shall
it be until the end of man,
neither from that time henceforth
and forever.
10 Wherefore, because that ye have
a Bible ye need not suppose that
it contains all my words; neither
need ye suppose that I have not
caused more to be written.
11 For I command all men, both in
the east and in the west, and in
the north, and in the south, and
in the islands of the sea, that
they shall write the words which I
speak unto them; for out of the
books which shall be written I
will judge the world, every man
according to their works,
according to that which is written.
12 For behold, I shall speak unto
the Jews and they shall write it;
and I shall also speak unto the
Nephites and they shall write it;
and I shall also speak unto the
other tribes of the house of
Israel, which I have led away, and
they shall write it; and I shall
also speak unto all nations of the
earth and they shall write it.
13 And it shall come to pass that
the Jews shall have the words of
the Nephites, and the Nephites
shall have the words of the Jews;
and the Nephites and the Jews
shall have the words of the lost
tribes of Israel; and the lost
tribes of Israel shall have the
words of the Nephites and the Jews.
14 And it shall come to pass that
my people, which are of the house
of Israel, shall be gathered home
unto the lands of their
possessions; and my word also
shall be gathered in one. And I
will show unto them that fight
against my word and against my
people, who are of the house of
Israel, that I am God, and that I
covenanted with Abraham that I
would remember his seed forever.
John 12: 48 He that rejecteth me,
and receiveth not my words, hath
one that judgeth him: the word
that I have spoken, the same shall
judge him in the last day.
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| QUESTION from:Julie Hollar, Non-Denominational Christian, Age 35-49, wrote on 8/5/2001: | |
| In the New Testament tithing is not mentioned. Why is it taught in the LDS church? and, why is it a requirement of all members? | |
Jesus quoted the Old Testament
from time to time, the scriptures
were before them, and the New
Testament does not negate the Old
Testament. Jesus said that he
fulfilled the Law of Moses, not
everything else. Matt. 5: 17 Think
not that I am come to destroy the
law, or the prophets: I am not
come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Tithing was not the
Law of Moses, but was in place
BEFORE the Law of Moses was given.
(see Genesis 14:20, 28:22) The
Law of Moses is detailed in Exodus
which follows Genesis.Jesus quoted Malachi AFTER His resurrection to teach the Nephites (and us through the Book of Mormon) that the Law of Tithing was STILL in effect. He quotes:
3 Nephi 24:1 AND it came to pass
that he commanded them that they
should write the words which the
Father had given unto Malachi,
which he should tell unto them.
And it came to pass that after
they were written he expounded
them. And these are the words
which he did tell unto them,
saying: Thus said the Father unto
Malachi-Behold, I will send my
messenger, and he shall prepare
the way before me, and the Lord
whom ye seek shall suddenly come
to his temple, even the messenger
of the covenant, whom ye delight
in; behold, he shall come, saith
the Lord of Hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his
coming, and who shall stand when
he appeareth? For he is like a
refiner's fire, and like fuller's
soap.
3 And he shall sit as a refiner
and purifier of silver; and he
shall purify the sons of Levi, and
purge them as gold and silver,
that they may offer unto the Lord
an offering in righteousness.
4 Then shall the offering of Judah
and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the
Lord, as in the days of old, and
as in former years.
5 And I will come near to you to
judgment; and I will be a swift
witness against the sorcerers, and
against the adulterers, and
against false swearers, and
against those that oppress the
hireling in his wages, the widow
and the fatherless, and that turn
aside the stranger, and fear not
me, saith the Lord of Hosts.
6 For I am the Lord, I change not;
therefore ye sons of Jacob are not
consumed.
7 Even from the days of your
fathers ye are gone away from mine
ordinances, and have not kept
them. Return unto me and I will
return unto you, saith the Lord of
Hosts. But ye say: Wherein shall
we return?
8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have
robbed me. But ye say: Wherein
have we robbed thee? In tithes and
offerings.
9 Ye are cursed with a curse, for
ye have robbed me, even this whole
nation.
10 Bring ye all the tithes into
the storehouse, that there may be
meat in my house; and prove me now
herewith, saith the Lord of Hosts,
if I will not open you the windows
of heaven, and pour you out a
blessing that there shall not be
room enough to receive it.
11 And I will rebuke the devourer
for your sakes, and he shall not
destroy the fruits of your ground;
neither shall your vine cast her
fruit before the time in the
fields, saith the Lord of Hosts.
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| QUESTION from:Tim Wingfield, Born Again Christian, Age 18-24, wrote on 8/5/2001: | |
| Why should I join the LDS Church against another church? I have been visiting many establishments lately and the thing I noticed the most between the LDS Church and, let's say, a Baptist Church was that there was no love and life with the Mormon congregation. They seemed still and without the presence of anything supernatural. It was as if the Holy Spirit wasn't there. Now I am not entirely knowledgable in your doctrine, but they did not seem to be true Christians. If you have an answer, I'd like to know. | |
Yes, I have an answer for that. I
have been to see the so-
called "Holy Roller" Christian
environments, only to feel that
they indeed did not have the
Spirit of which I am used to
having. It was of
the "supernatural."I have seen people sing and have fun singing, a joyful noise as it is called, yet there are more subtle things of the Spirit, more powerful than the sensation of a good song mingled with rhythm and drum beats. We all know that youth love a good concert. It gives them goose bumps. Is this the Lord? No. It's sensation. There are people in our Church as well who do not understand the Spirit. They are the ones who want to get up and give a "fire and brimstone" speech. They are the ones who will get up and sing a loud and showy solo. They are the ones who want to really "show what they can do." This is not humility and meekness, but a form of priestcraft. It must be avoided. We must seek the peaceable things of the Lord, and spiritual experiences are largely an individual experience. One person in a congregation may feel a talk was completely boring. Another will cry and be touched for good for life. How is this possible?
2 Ne. 26: 29 [Jesus] commandeth
that there shall be no
priestcrafts; for, behold,
priestcrafts are that men preach
and set themselves up for a light
unto the world, that they may get
gain and praise of the world; but
they seek not the welfare of Zion.
3 Ne. 16: 10 And thus commandeth
the Father that I [Jesus] should
say unto you: At that day when the
Gentiles shall sin against my
gospel, and shall reject the
fulness of my gospel, and shall be
lifted up in the pride of their
hearts above all nations, and
above all the people of the whole
earth, and shall be filled with
all manner of lyings, and of
deceits, and of mischiefs, and all
manner of hypocrisy, and murders,
and priestcrafts, and whoredoms,
and of secret abominations; and if
they shall do all those things,
and shall reject the fulness of my
gospel, behold, saith the Father,
I will bring the fulness of my
gospel from among them.
There is love in my Church. People help each other. That is love. People visit each other. That is love. People care about each other. That's love too. Here is what the gospel of Jesus Christ is all about as summed up by Alma:
Mosiah 18:8 And it came to pass
that [Alma] said unto them:
Behold, here are the waters of
Mormon (for thus were they called)
and now, as ye are desirous to
come into the fold of God, and to
be called his people, and are
willing to bear one another's
burdens, that they may be light;
9 Yea, and are willing to mourn
with those that mourn; yea, and
comfort those that stand in need
of comfort, and to stand as
witnesses of God at all times and
in all things, and in all places
that ye may be in, even until
death, that ye may be redeemed of
God, and be numbered with those of
the first resurrection, that ye
may have eternal life-
10 Now I say unto you, if this be
the desire of your hearts, what
have you against being baptized in
the name of the Lord, as a witness
before him that ye have entered
into a covenant with him, that ye
will serve him and keep his
commandments, that he may pour out
his Spirit more abundantly upon
you?
11 And now when the people had
heard these words, they clapped
their hands for joy, and
exclaimed: This is the desire of
our hearts.
12 And now it came to pass that
Alma took Helam, he being one of
the first, and went and stood
forth in the water, and cried,
saying: O Lord, pour out thy
Spirit upon thy servant, that he
may do this work with holiness of
heart.
13 And when he had said these
words, the Spirit of the Lord was
upon him, and he said: Helam, I
baptize thee, having authority
from the Almighty God, as a
testimony that ye have entered
into a covenant to serve him until
you are dead as to the mortal
body; and may the Spirit of the
Lord be poured out upon you; and
may he grant unto you eternal
life, through the redemption of
Christ, whom he has prepared from
the foundation of the world.
14 And after Alma had said these
words, both Alma and Helam were
buried in the water; and they
arose and came forth out of the
water rejoicing, being filled with
the Spirit.
15 And again, Alma took another,
and went forth a second time into
the water, and baptized him
according to the first, only he
did not bury himself again in the
water.
16 And after this manner he did
baptize every one that went forth
to the place of Mormon; and they
were in number about two hundred
and four souls; yea, and they were
baptized in the waters of Mormon,
and were filled with the grace of
God.
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| QUESTION from:Biff, Baptist Christian, Age 18-24, wrote on 8/6/2001: | |
| If the Bible clearly states that men spoke through inspiration of the holy spirit, then how can it be explained in 1 Nephi 19:6a when it says, nevertheless, I do not write anything upon plates save it be that I (notice I) think it be sacred. Or Jacob 7:26b I conclude this record declaring that I have written according to the best of my knowledge. Or Ether 5:1a where it says, "And now I, Mormon, have written the words which were commanded me according to my memory." Can something be inspired when the mistakes of man can be involved in it. The prophets themselves almost seem to deny inspiration. Mormon (9:32-33)deals with the imperfection in writing because of the Hebrew.or "Now I Moroni, write somewhat as seemeth me good."Moroni 10:1. Anything that is God breathed it would seem would be sealed in the heart of the propet who says these words. If a person plays the telephone game his message come out muffled because he is unsure about what is being said and it is unprofitable It also says that Samuels word never fell to the ground so no part was useless. If a man receives a message he is unclear on, then how can it be God inspired, saved God correct that prophet on his own mistake in prophecy? How come in early editions of The Book of Mormon Jospeh Smith is listed as the author, but then is listed as just a translator later on? Mormon missionaries are restricted to wear beards now. Joseph Field Smith and all of the eight prophets of the Mormon church all had facial hair. If God was Adam, would that mean that God was a sinner? | |
Biff, if you were not so blindedly
biased in trying to find fault
with what the ancient American
Prophets of Jesus Christ wrote,
you would also be able to take
some time to notice that the
ancient eastern Jewish Prophets of
Jesus Christ were similarly
apologetic, specifically about
their role in bringing about God's
word and preaching the gospel.Paul talks about his "thorn in the flesh" : 2 Cor. 12: 7 7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. Does God work thorugh a man so imperfect as Paul? He does.
1 Cor. 1: 27 But God hath chosen
the foolish things of the world to
confound the wise; and God hath
chosen the weak things of the
world to confound the things which
are mighty;
28 And base things of the world,
and things which are despised,
hath God chosen, Does God work through people with weaknesses and faults, and who admit them? He does. But before you conclude that the ancient American Prophets of Jesus Christ "seem to deny inspiration," please take a look at the direct revelations that they DID write: Lehi's Vision of the Tree of Life Nephi's Vision of Jesus Christ coming into the world Nephi's Vision of the Destruction of Jerusalem Nephi's Vision of the Destruction of Jerusalem ...and numerous other visions and revelations as recorded by these prophets. Don't throw out what is so valuable in their visions and revelations which the Lord gave to them, and which they wrote down, just because they admit their weaknesses. Paul admitted his weaknesses. Peter demonstrated his weaknesses, as did all the other Apostles who sometimes even wanted to know who was the greatest. Yet they all grew from these growing and learning experiences. They became PILLARS of God in their obedience and spiritual abilities. They died true to their cause in Christ. They were humble, yet powerful. Don't misunderstand the apologetics of the ancient American Apostles and Prophets of Jesus Christ, anymore than you would doubt the Bible because of the humble confessions of Paul. |
| QUESTION from:Eric H. Smith, Other Religion, Age 25-34, wrote on 8/13/2001: | |
| I am not affiliated with any religion. I have recently had some LDS "missionarys" visit me and I decided to listen to some of what they had to say. I started to look through the Book of Mormon and the Bible. While looking through the Bible I have found no "descrepencies" but I have found a few in the Book of Mormon. The big one (or funniest one) is in Ether 6:5 It says a furious wind blew. In Ether 6:8 it says it never ceased to blow them to the promised land. In Ether 6:11 it says it took 344 days. Well I did some simple math and used a little reason. I will say that if the wind actually blew continually and had an average speed of 10mph then that means it would go 240 miles per day so now I multiply 240 by 344 and I get 82560 miles that is more than 3X around the world. I also found it peculier that a small group of people can build a temple in the manner of construction of Solomans temple (2 Nephi 5:16). When I look in 1 Kings 5:13-16 and chapter 6 of 1 Kings. I see that it took 30,000 Iseralites 7 years to build Solomons Temple. My question is. Where are the remians of this "great Temple". And one last thing for now. In Ether 2:23 it says "For behold, ye cannot have windows, for they will be dashed in pieces;" (Is this breakable glass?) and in Ether 7:9 it says "and made swords out of steel". Are we talking the time of Abraham? Abraham walked the earth aproxamately 1950 BC and steel and glass were not developed until about 500BC some 1400 years later. I have discoverd quite a few more items of discussion but I will keep those to myself for now. It may seem that I am being "nit pickey" but I truly am not. I am searching for a religion but at the same time I want a religion that I can believe in 100%. So far I have read parts of the Book of Mormon and the King James version of the Bible. And as I stated earlier I have found no discrepancies in the "KJV" but I have found so far about 10 in the Book of Mormon. Please help me so I can make an inteligent decision about my eternal life. | |
Well, it doesn't say anywhere that
the "furious wind" blew in the
same direction all the time :)
Maybe they went back and forth a
bit, at 10 mph as you suppose.Kidding aside, these barges did not have sails, but were more like submarine vessels. They could submerge if the waves crashed down upon them. Most all of your other questions have to do with the "lack of evidence" and placing a great deal of trust in archealogy as if it were an exact science. Archealogy is far from an exact science, primarily because archealogists are not allowed to dig up everyone's backyard, and discover what's beneath all of the commercial and industrial centers in the world today. Imagine what we would find if we all got busy digging up the whole world. We'd find all that evidence that you need. But you are not going to get all these proofs. The dirt is going to stay, and eventually Jesus is going to come again and burn it all anyway. He is not interested in preserving all that "proof." He is going to require an accounting of how all people in the world dealt with the Book of Mormon that He brought forth. He's not interested in us finding evidences that don't prove faith- related subjects, He is interested in our faith, our obedience. Luke 17: 6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you. What is He talking about ?!! Can you say to a tree, be plucked up and planted in the sea? Yes, you can, if you have faith. This is the thing that Jesus is interested in. So what IS this faith? The Book of Mormon teaches us: Alma 32: 21 And now as I said concerning faith-faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true. Read the rest of Alma's discourse on faith here Are you exercising FAITH when you want the earth to be dug up completely to find out if those Book of Mormon evidences lurk down there somewhere...? No, that's wanting evidences or proof. This is not faith. A mustard seed is pretty small. If you can't tell a tree to be plucked up and planted in the sea yet, then your faith is not yet as big as a mustard seed, and you need to grow your faith. If faith gets any smaller than a mustard seed, it seems almost microscopic or even non existent. I am afraid that too many people have a microscopic faith and need to get to the mustard seed level and beyond. We all need to grow our faith. Alma taught us how:
Alma 32:27 But behold, if ye will
awake and arouse your faculties,
even to an experiment upon my
words, and exercise a particle of
faith, yea, even if ye can no more
than desire to believe, let this
desire work in you, even until ye
believe in a manner that ye can
give place for a portion of my
words.
28 Now, we will compare the word
unto a seed. Now, if ye give
place, that a seed may be planted
in your heart, behold, if it be a
true seed, or a good seed, if ye
do not cast it out by your
unbelief, that ye will resist the
Spirit of the Lord, behold, it
will begin to swell within your
breasts; and when you feel these
swelling motions, ye will begin to
say within yourselves-It must
needs be that this is a good seed,
or that the word is good, for it
beginneth to enlarge my soul; yea,
it beginneth to enlighten my
understanding, yea, it beginneth
to be delicious to me.
29 Now behold, would not this
increase your faith? I say unto
you, Yea; nevertheless it hath not
grown up to a perfect knowledge.
30 But behold, as the seed
swelleth, and sprouteth, and
beginneth to grow, then you must
needs say that the seed is good;
for behold it swelleth, and
sprouteth, and beginneth to grow.
And now, behold, will not this
strengthen your faith? Yea, it
will strengthen your faith: for ye
will say I know that this is a
good seed; for behold it sprouteth
and beginneth to grow.
31 And now, behold, are ye sure
that this is a good seed? I say
unto you, Yea; for every seed
bringeth forth unto its own
likeness.
32 Therefore, if a seed groweth it
is good, but if it groweth not,
behold it is not good, therefore
it is cast away.
33 And now, behold, because ye
have tried the experiment, and
planted the seed, and it swelleth
and sprouteth, and beginneth to
grow, ye must needs know that the
seed is good.
34 And now, behold, is your
knowledge perfect? Yea, your
knowledge is perfect in that
thing, and your faith is dormant;
and this because you know, for ye
know that the word hath swelled
your souls, and ye also know that
it hath sprouted up, that your
understanding doth begin to be
enlightened, and your mind doth
begin to expand.
35 O then, is not this real? I say
unto you, Yea, because it is
light; and whatsoever is light, is
good, because it is discernible,
therefore ye must know that it is
good; and now behold, after ye
have tasted this light is your
knowledge perfect?
36 Behold I say unto you, Nay;
neither must ye lay aside your
faith, for ye have only exercised
your faith to plant the seed that
ye might try the experiment to
know if the seed was good.
37 And behold, as the tree
beginneth to grow, ye will say:
Let us nourish it with great care,
that it may get root, that it may
grow up, and bring forth fruit
unto us. And now behold, if ye
nourish it with much care it will
get root, and grow up, and bring
forth fruit.
38 But if ye neglect the tree, and
take no thought for its
nourishment, behold it will not
get any root; and when the heat of
the sun cometh and scorcheth it,
because it hath no root it withers
away, and ye pluck it up and cast
it out.
39 Now, this is not because the
seed was not good, neither is it
because the fruit thereof would
not be desirable; but it is
because your ground is barren, and
ye will not nourish the tree,
therefore ye cannot have the fruit
thereof.
40 And thus, if ye will not
nourish the word, looking forward
with an eye of faith to the fruit
thereof, ye can never pluck of the
fruit of the tree of life.
41 But if ye will nourish the
word, yea, nourish the tree as it
beginneth to grow, by your faith
with great diligence, and with
patience, looking forward to the
fruit thereof, it shall take root;
and behold it shall be a tree
springing up unto everlasting life.
42 And because of your diligence
and your faith and your patience
with the word in nourishing it,
that it may take root in you,
behold, by and by ye shall pluck
the fruit thereof, which is most
precious, which is sweet above all
that is sweet, and which is white
above all that is white, yea, and
pure above all that is pure; and
ye shall feast upon this fruit
even until ye are filled, that ye
hunger not, neither shall ye
thirst.
43 Then, my brethren, ye shall
reap the rewards of your faith,
and your diligence, and patience,
and long-suffering, waiting for
the tree to bring forth fruit unto
you.
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| QUESTION from:valerie bailey, Non-Denominational Christian, Age 18-24, wrote on 8/14/2001: | |
| What's the LDS church's stand on the rapture? Is there any biblical proof that the book of Mormon is true? | |
That all depends on what
the "rapture" is. The word does
not occur in all of the holy
writ. I am assuming you believe
it means being caught up into
heaven during the times of
Tribulation.Well, I believe the times of tribulation have already begun. There are wars and rumors of wars already. We have seen great suffering and injustice in the world from time to time already. It will continue, and get worse. A time will come when: D&C 45: 68 And it shall come to pass among the wicked, that every man that will not take his sword against his neighbor must needs flee unto Zion for safety. ...and a gathering to the New Jerusalem will take place. The Book of Mormon speaks abundantly of this New Jerusalem, and I would invite you to go to lds.org and click on the SCRIPTURES button, and look these up and read in more detail. They are true, and can help us know what is in store for us according to the plan of Jesus Christ, for He commissioned the Book of Mormon. The resurrected Jesus Christ visited the Americas and said to the Nephites/Lamanites:
3 Ne. 20: 21 And it shall come to
pass that I will establish my
people, O house of Israel.
22 And behold, this people will I
establish in this land, unto the
fulfilling of the covenant which I
made with your father Jacob; and
it shall be a New Jerusalem. And
the powers of heaven shall be in
the midst of this people; yea,
even I will be in the midst of you.
3 Ne. 21: 23 And they shall
assist my people, the remnant of
Jacob, and also as many of the
house of Israel as shall come,
that they may build a city, which
shall be called the New Jerusalem.
3 Ne. 21: 24 And then shall they
assist my people that they may be
gathered in, who are scattered
upon all the face of the land, in
unto the New Jerusalem.
Ether 13: 3 And that it was the
place of the New Jerusalem, which
should come down out of heaven,
and the holy sanctuary of the Lord.
Ether 13: 4 Behold, Ether saw the
days of Christ, and he spake
concerning a New Jerusalem upon
this land.
Ether 13: 5 And he spake also
concerning the house of Israel,
and the Jerusalem from whence Lehi
should come-after it should be
destroyed it should be built up
again, a holy city unto the Lord;
wherefore, it could not be a new
Jerusalem for it had been in a
time of old; but it should be
built up again, and become a holy
city of the Lord; and it should be
built unto the house of Israel.
Ether 13: 6 And that a New
Jerusalem should be built up upon
this land, unto the remnant of the
seed of Joseph, for which things
there has been a type.
Ether 13: 10 And then cometh the
New Jerusalem; and blessed are
they who dwell therein, for it is
they whose garments are white
through the blood of the Lamb; and
they are they who are numbered
among the remnant of the seed of
Joseph, who were of the house of
Israel.
If you would like to know if the Bible prophecies of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon, yes it does. Go to this link, TOPICAL GUIDE, BOOK OF MORMON, which is a topical guide link of all scriptures that have something to do with the House of Israel and the coming forth of the Book of Mormon.
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| QUESTION from:Chris Neville, Non-Denominational Christian, Age 35-49, wrote on 8/15/2001: | |
| Hi, to obtain the Celestial (kingdom) Heaven does one have to believe that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God, and does one have to participate in the Temple rites. thanks | |
Yes, and yes. But let's examine
this for a moment.Jesus sends out messengers, and we need to find out who His messengers are/were. If Joseph Smith were one of those prophet/messengers, then the doctrines that were brought forth through him are also of the Lord and we would be obliged to accept them. So how do we find out who these messengers are? The Book of Mormon has some answers. There is an account of a false messenger who came to deceive the people, and he was anti-Christ. His name was Korihor. He taught all the things that would cause a person NOT to come unto Christ. He taught:
Alma 30:13 O ye that are bound
down under a foolish and a vain
hope, why do ye yoke yourselves
with such foolish things? Why do
ye look for a Christ? For no man
can know of anything which is to
come.
14 Behold, these things which ye
call prophecies, which ye say are
handed down by holy prophets,
behold, they are foolish
traditions of your fathers.
15 How do ye know of their surety?
Behold, ye cannot know of things
which ye do not see; therefore ye
cannot know that there shall be a
Christ.
16 Ye look forward and say that ye
see a remission of your sins. But
behold, it is the effect of a
frenzied mind; and this
derangement of your minds comes
because of the traditions of your
fathers, which lead you away into
a belief of things which are not
so.
17 And many more such things did
he say unto them, telling them
that there could be no atonement
made for the sins of men, but
every man fared in this life
according to the management of the
creature; therefore every man
prospered according to his genius,
and that every man conquered
according to his strength; and
whatsoever a man did was no crime.
18 And thus he did preach unto
them, leading away the hearts of
many, causing them to lift up
their heads in their wickedness,
yea, leading away many women, and
also men, to commit whoredoms-
telling them that when a man was
dead, that was the end thereof.
A person should be able to detect this man, because what he taught did not bring anyone to Christ. The great prophet Mormon taught: Moro. 7: 16 For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God. All mankind are left without excuse. They all have the ability to judge. The Spirit of Christ is given to all that they may know. If people will follow this Spirit of Christ, then they will be led in the directions that will take them ultimately, to Christ. I would invite you to come unto Christ, by following after the things that He has placed before you and I in these latter days, namely, the Book of Mormon which testifies abundantly of Christ, that He is the Son of God. |
| QUESTION from:Kenneth McKinney, Latter-day Saint Christian, Age 35-49, wrote on 8/16/2001: | |
| Today I received a visit from representatives of another church (won't tell which church, as I don't want to speak badly of another's beliefs), and told them I would read their literature if they would read a copy of the Book of Mormon. They refused of course, then one of the men in their group asked me a question-- "Why would Mormons kill other Mormons?" I could tell that he meant Latter-day Saints fighting for their countries (on both sides) in WWI, WWII, and other modern wars (this group doesn't believe in serving in the military), and he meant to ask that to make me doubt my beliefs. He and his group had their scriptures in hand, and I was just starting to mow the lawn! I answered them by quoting James 1:5, paraphrasing Moroni 10:4- 5,and testifying that the Holy Ghost has borne witness to me that the Book of Mormon is true, that Joseph Smith was a true prophet, and that part of his inspired teachings was to obey the laws of the land where the Latter- day Saints live. I doubt that any answer would satify this gentleman and his group, but I thought that I would pass his question on to the Answerman for more insight. Sorry this question was so long, but thought you would find it interesting, and maybe others will as well. | |
In a perfect world, A true
Christian would not kill another
true Christian in a time of war,
because a true Christian would not
get involved in an unworthy cause,
or if his country was waging an
unworthy war. A true Christian
would object to supporting
corruption in government, and I
believe a true Christian would
fight a worthy cause in a war. Captain Moroni was our Book of Mormon example of the perfect Christian who knew when it was time to fight a war, and to wage war in the defense of the lives, liberty, their families...he raised a title of liberty: Alma 46: 12 And it came to pass that he rent his coat; and he took a piece thereof, and wrote upon it- In memory of our God, our religion, and freedom, and our peace, our wives, and our children- and he fastened it upon the end of a pole. In fighting against some of the most evil people who waged war against them, Captain Moroni and his armies were beating them in the strength of the Lord and he said:
Alma 44: 1 AND it came to pass
that they did stop and withdrew a
pace from them. And Moroni said
unto Zerahemnah: Behold,
Zerahemnah, that we do not desire
to be men of blood. Ye know that
ye are in our hands, yet we do not
desire to slay you.
2 Behold, we have not come out
to battle against you that we
might shed your blood for power;
neither do we desire to bring any
one to the yoke of bondage. But
this is the very cause for which
ye have come against us; yea, and
ye are angry with us because of
our religion.
3 But now, ye behold that the Lord
is with us; and ye behold that he
has delivered you into our hands.
And now I would that ye should
understand that this is done unto
us because of our religion and our
faith in Christ. And now ye see
that ye cannot destroy this our
faith.
4 Now ye see that this is the true
faith of God; yea, ye see that God
will support, and keep, and
preserve us, so long as we are
faithful unto him, and unto our
faith, and our religion; and never
will the Lord suffer that we shall
be destroyed except we should fall
into transgression and deny our
faith.
5 And now, Zerahemnah, I command
you, in the name of that all-
powerful God, who has strengthened
our arms that we have gained power
over you, by our faith, by our
religion, and by our rites of
worship, and by our church, and by
the sacred support which we owe to
our wives and our children, by
that liberty which binds us to our
lands and our country; yea, and
also by the maintenance of the
sacred word of God, to which we
owe all our happiness; and by all
that is most dear unto us-
6 Yea, and this is not all; I
command you by all the desires
which ye have for life, that ye
deliver up your weapons of war
unto us, and we will seek not your
blood, but we will spare your
lives, if ye will go your way and
come not again to war against us.
You did right to bear your testimony! Great job! But the JW's have not thought long and hard enough about the real reasons that we would go to war: to preserve our freedom. If we ever find ourselves in a war against another country who is trying to take away our freedom, it is SAFE to say that there are no real Christians on that side, and we need not fear of slaying a "Mormon" or anyone else of any other religion who professes a true belief in Christ. They would not fight in Hitlers war. They would die first, rather than take up the sword to commit murder to get gain or power. |
| QUESTION from:Trudy Sculthorpe, Baptist Christian, Age 50+, wrote on 8/16/2001: | |
| Mosiah 3:11 - "For behold, and also his blood atoneth for the sins of those who have fallen by the transgression of Adam, who have died not knowing the will of God concerning them or who have ignorantly sinned." Question: Doesn't this contradict the 2nd Article of Faith which states: "We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression" | |
Hi Trudy:No, it does not contradict the 2nd Article of Faith, because the Atonement, or the At One Ment, which makes us one again with God our Father, is a two step process. Jesus suffered for sins in the Garden of Gethsemane, and because of Him, we can be made clean through the blood of His Atonement. But that is not all of His Atonement. That was the "spiritual" half. The "physical" half (for we are half spirit, half physical, our soul is the combination of the two...) was provided for us to be at one again with God through the miracle of the Resurrection. This resurrection was brought to pass after his necessary death on the cross. After Jesus died, He began the resurrection, which will come to all. So it was necessary for Jesus to get involved, as our Savior, to make possible our recovery from the Fall of Adam.
1 Cor. 15: 22 For as in Adam all
die, even so in Christ shall all
be made alive.
Alma 11: 44 Now, this
[Resurrection] restoration shall
come to all, both old and young,
both bond and free, both male and
female, both the wicked and the
righteous; and even there shall
not so much as a hair of their
heads be lost; but every thing
shall be restored to its perfect
frame, as it is now, or in the
body, and shall be brought and be
arraigned before the bar of Christ
the Son, and God the Father, and
the Holy Spirit, which is one
Eternal God, to be judged
according to their works, whether
they be good or whether they be
evil.
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| QUESTION from:Cory Anderson, Baptist Christian, Age 25-34, wrote on 8/17/2001: | |
| Greetings BOM, As I read through the Book of Mormon I cannot help but wonder what hermeneutic the Book of Mormon authors employed in their writing. In other words, as they read the OT and the NT (assumption is the authors of BOM had access to the NT and that the BOM does not predate the NT) how did they interpret these Scriptures. Evidence of their hermeneutic should be found within the pages of the BOM just as the Apostle Paul gives us an indication of the hermeneutic he used when he wrote his letters. Cory | |
Cory: The Book of Mormon prophets
did not have access to the New
Testament writings of Matthew,
Mark, Luke, John, Paul, etc. The
Nephite civilization began in 590
BC when Lehi and his families
arrived in the promised land, the
Americas. They brought with them
the "Brass
Plates" which contained
prophetical
writings down to Isaiah, not the
Olrd Testament as we now have it,
for there were other prophets
referenced in the Brass Plates
including Zenos, Zenock, etc.,
which are not mentioned in the Old
Testament.
1 Nephi 5:10 And after they had
given thanks unto the God of
Israel, my father, Lehi, took the
records which were engraven upon
the plates of brass, and he did
search them from the beginning.
11 And he beheld that they did
contain the five books of Moses,
which gave an account of the
creation of the world, and also of
Adam and Eve, who were our first
parents;
12 And also a record of the Jews
from the beginning, even down to
the commencement of the reign of
Zedekiah, king of Judah;
13 And also the prophecies of the
holy prophets, from the beginning,
even down to the commencement of
the reign of Zedekiah; and also
many prophecies which have been
spoken by the mouth of Jeremiah.
Joseph Smith, however, was given the Urim and Thummim by the Lord to use for translation of the plates of Mormon. Joseph Smith recorded: JS-H 1:52 Having removed the earth, I obtained a lever, which I got fixed under the edge of the stone, and with a little exertion raised it up. I looked in, and there indeed did I behold the plates, the Urim and Thummim, and the breastplate, as stated by the messenger. The box in which they lay was formed by laying stones together in some kind of cement. In the bottom of the box were laid two stones crossways of the box, and on these stones lay the plates and the other things with them. The Book of Mormon prophets had these interpreters as well as is recorded:
11 Therefore he took the records
which were engraven on the plates
of brass, and also the plates of
Nephi, and all the things which he
had kept and preserved according
to the commandments of God, after
having translated and caused to be
written the records which were on
the plates of gold which had been
found by the people of Limhi,
which were delivered to him by the
hand of Limhi;
12 And this he did because of the
great anxiety of his people; for
they were desirous beyond measure
to know concerning those people
who had been destroyed.
13 And now he translated them by
the means of those two stones
which were fastened into the two
rims of a bow.
14 Now these things were prepared
from the beginning, and were
handed down from generation to
generation, for the purpose of
interpreting languages;
15 And they have been kept and
preserved by the hand of the Lord,
that he should discover to every
creature who should possess the
land the iniquities and
abominations of his people;
16 And whosoever has these things
is called seer, after the manner
of old times.
So you see, the manner of hermeneutics that you speak of is not really relevant in the case of the Book of Mormon, in that it is an apples and oranges comparison. The prophets of the Lord are instructed of the Lord in "translation" by the means of the interpreters, or the Urim and Thummim. |
| QUESTION from:Tommy Campbell, Protestant Christian, Age 35-49, wrote on 8/18/2001: | |
| Do you believe that John the Apostle is still alive? And what biblical basis do you have for that belief? Thank you, Tommy | |
Yes I do. He is. He never died.
In reference to the biblical
scripture which refers to this
special calling of John the
beloved (John 21:20-23) there are
modern day scriptures which attest
to this as well:
John 21:20 Then Peter, turning
about, seeth the disciple whom
Jesus loved following; which also
leaned on his breast at supper,
and said, Lord, which is he that
betrayeth thee?
21 Peter seeing him saith to
Jesus, Lord, and what shall this
man do?
22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will
that he tarry till I come, what is
that to thee? follow thou me.
23 Then went this saying abroad
among the brethren, that that
disciple should not die: yet Jesus
said not unto him, He shall not
die; but, If I will that he tarry
till I come, what is that to thee?
...and in the Americas Jesus
said the following:
3 Nephi 28:1 AND it came to pass
when Jesus had said these words,
he spake unto his disciples, one
by one, saying unto them: What is
it that ye desire of me, after
that I am gone to the Father?
2 And they all spake, save it were
three, saying: We desire that
after we have lived unto the age
of man, that our ministry, wherein
thou hast called us, may have an
end, that we may speedily come
unto thee in thy kingdom.
3 And he said unto them: Blessed
are ye because ye desired this
thing of me; therefore, after that
ye are seventy and two years old
ye shall come unto me in my
kingdom; and with me ye shall find
rest.
4 And when he had spoken unto
them, he turned himself unto the
three, and said unto them: What
will ye that I should do unto you,
when I am gone unto the Father?
5 And they sorrowed in their
hearts, for they durst not speak
unto him the thing which they
desired.
6 And he said unto them: Behold, I
know your thoughts, and ye have
desired the thing which John, my
beloved, who was with me in my
ministry, before that I was lifted
up by the Jews, desired of me.
7 Therefore, more blessed are ye,
for ye shall never taste of death;
but ye shall live to behold all
the doings of the Father unto the
children of men, even until all
things shall be fulfilled
according to the will of the
Father, when I shall come in my
glory with the powers of heaven.
8 And ye shall never endure the
pains of death; but when I shall
come in my glory ye shall be
changed in the twinkling of an eye
from mortality to immortality; and
then shall ye be blessed in the
kingdom of my Father.
9 And again, ye shall not have
pain while ye shall dwell in the
flesh, neither sorrow save it be
for the sins of the world; and all
this will I do because of the
thing which ye have desired of me,
for ye have desired that ye might
bring the souls of men unto me,
while the world shall stand.
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| QUESTION from:Rod Johnson, Latter-day Saint Christian, Age 18-24, wrote on 8/20/2001: | |
| I read your answer about fighting in wars. You said some pretty harsh things about people fighting in "unjust wars." We are to seek counsel from the prophet whether or not we should disobey the command to obey our govenment. We should never refuse a service to our country and accept death unless we have received the word from God. I was a bit offended by the remarks that were made about fighting. MANY faithful Saints fought on the German side of the world wars. Are they not true Christians? The Prophet thought so. Was Mormon not a Christian? He left his military, then went back with it in an unjust war with all the people wicked. As soon as the Nephites began attacking the Lamanites, it was an unjust war, but he still faithfully fought with his country. I have too many source to pull evidence from to list here. It is not as clear cut as you make. What you teach is what the JW's teach. They will not fight in any unjust war. They think every war is unjust because the govenments are unjust. They will die first before they fight. Please do not disrespect the memory of righeous German latter-day saints who fought for God and Country. Read some German church history. It really will help. Forgive me if I was disrespectful. I did not intend to be. | |
Rod, the Book of Mormon prophets
have taught about war, defense of
liberties, and who we should model
our lives after... I will follow
the prophet, in
every case. But we are not to wait
for the prophet to tell us how to
act on something that concerns the
immediate moment. Otherwise we are
paralyzed. Captain Moroni waited
for no one, as far as I can tell,
before he made some pretty
momentous decisions concerning the
entire country. He prayed
directly to his God regarding the
civil matters over which he had
some responsibility and duty:Alma 46: 13 And [Captain Moroni] fastened on his head-plate, and his breastplate, and his shields, and girded on his armor about his loins; and he took the pole, which had on the end thereof his rent coat, (and he called it the title of liberty) and he bowed himself to the earth, and he prayed mightily unto his God for the blessings of liberty to rest upon his brethren, so long as there should a band of Christians remain to possess the land- Now Rod, harsh or not, please ask yourself, would this man have fought in Hitler's war? Would he have been deceived by the rhetoric that so many Germans were deceived by? Would he have gone against other countries to murder and get gain and capture the wealth of other people on account of how supreme he was, a so- called "master race?" Or would he have revolted from such a thing? The answer is obviuous. Consider one of his other actions towards his government, which I admire. He did what was right, not what the mainstream did. Captain Moroni told his head of government: Alma 60: 24 And now, except ye do repent of that which ye have done, and begin to be up and doing, ... behold it will be expedient that we contend no more with the Lamanites until we have first cleansed our inward vessel, yea, even the great head of our government.
Why would we wait for the prophet
to tell us what to do? The
prophet Alma did not tell Captain
Moroni what to do, and Captain
Moroni did not wait for that. Nor
was he ever supposed to wait for
that. I hope that enlightened
Christians will act on conscience
in all things. I will follow
everything that the prophet
counsels or commands us to do. To
that I am committed, but prophets
rarely cover everything that we
must do. The Lord has said that
we must be anxiously engaged in
a good cause, and do many things
of [our] own free will, and bring
to pass much righteousness;
For the power is in them, wherein
they are agents unto themselves.
And inasmuch as men do good they
shall in nowise lose their reward.
But he that doeth not anything
until he is commanded, and
receiveth a commandment with
doubtful heart, and keepeth it
with slothfulness, the same is
damned.
(see D&C 58:27) That is a commandment NOT to wait for the prophet to tell us what to do in all things. Captain Moroni did not wait for that, he knelt on the ground and asked God specifically to support him in what he knew was the right thing to do, that was within his power to do. He succeeded !! ...and Mormon said of him: Alma 48: 17 Yea, verily, verily I say unto you, if all men had been, and were, and ever would be, like unto Moroni, behold, the very powers of hell would have been shaken forever; yea, the devil would never have power over the hearts of the children of men. You also mentioned Mormon and how he fought in an unjust war, and led them. Yes he did fight in a war, but the Nephites were fighting for their own freedoms in their own land, being overrun by a foreign country (the Lamanites) who were seeking power over them to bring them into bondage. Mormon fought, therefore, in a just war (as far as the Nephites were concerned), to defend the Nephite Nation, despite the personal wickedness that may have existed among some or many of the people/soldiers. "Perfection" and freedom from sin is not the criteria one must have in order to defend his liberty. A sinner has all right to defend his/her liberty, if someone else is seeking to take it away. Mormon did not fight in an unjust war! ...the Lamanites were about the overrun the land: Morm. 4: 23 And now I, Mormon, seeing that the Lamanites were about to overthrow the land... The Lamanites came to the Nephite lands, not the other way around: Mormon 3:1 AND it came to pass that the Lamanites did not come to battle again until ten years more had passed away. And behold, I had employed my people, the Nephites, in preparing their lands and their arms against the time of battle.
So we see from the record that the
Lamanites came to the Nephite
lands. This means that they were
DEFENDING themselves. That's OK
and justified of the Lord. The
Book of Mormon is clear on the the
right and duty of a Christian (or
a full-fledged sinner) to do this:
Alma 43: 47 And again, the Lord
has said that: Ye shall defend
your families even unto bloodshed.
Therefore for this cause were the
Nephites contending with the
Lamanites, to defend themselves,
and their families, and their
lands, their country, and their
rights, and their religion.
Now the "harsh" question: How were the Germans "defending" themselves or their freedoms in WWII when they collectively killed 6 million Jews, conquered ill-prepared countries, imposed their supremist views on others by force, and brutally took away their freedoms? I do not understand your suggestion that "righteous" latter-day saints fought in Hitler's war doing that kind of activity, participating directly or indirectly in killing the innocent. I'll never believe that. The Book of Mormon does not support that. |
| QUESTION from:Brian Nielsen, Latter-day Saint Christian, Age 18-24, wrote on 8/20/2001: | |
| I am writing in regards to the following statement that you previously made. "If we ever find ourselves in a war against another country who is trying to take away our freedom, it is SAFE to say that there are no real Christians on that side, and we need not fear of slaying a "Mormon" or anyone else of any other religion who professes a true belief in Christ. They would not fight in Hitlers war. They would die first, rather than take up the sword to commit murder to get gain or power." My grandfather,Wilhelm Krisch, did fight on the Axis side of WWII. He was an early convert in Germany. I am confounded by this statement. He is one of my greatest hereos. My aunt and uncle put together a compilation and translation of his journal kept during the war and also as a prisoner of war (covering over 14 years). Many times his life was spared as he followed the promptings of the spirit, whereas his comrads would not. He was a man who followed the Lord. He was blessed to be reunited with his children and wife in the United States. In the upcoming WWII fair at BYU held this fall, his biography and journal compilation will be on show. President Monson has also recieved a copy, and I believe he was glad to have it. Could you please clarify your preceding statement, as my Grandpa did fight, although not voluntarily, in Hitler's army? - I also feel that the Lord does make exceptions to commandments. For example, we are commanded not to kill, yet Nephi was commanded to kill Laban. He did the right thing by following the spirit of the Lord. My grandpa had no desire to kill anyone, yet I know that he trusted in the lord and did his will! | |
There would be a lot less needless
suffering in this world if men of
conscience stood up to evil men
waging war on other countries,
even if it is your own land. What
happened in Germany is a shame,
and we can all learn from
history's story of evil wars
fought for power. I can not
imagine the Founding Fathers
fighting for their wicked king.
They challenged him, and they left
him. They would rather die than
go along with him. Men of
conscience. Men of principle. How
is the war that Hitler waged on
the world any different in
principle, than the war that the
Lamanites under the direction of
Amalickiah (and others) waged on
Captain Moroni and the Nephites?We know from the story, that the real Christians on the side of the Lamanites would not do evil deeds: Alma 24: 25 And it came to pass that they threw down their weapons of war, and they would not take them again, for they were stung for the murders which they had committed; and they came down even as their brethren, relying upon the mercies of those whose arms were lifted to slay them. Lamanites who suddenly got a conscience AFTER they had murdered somebody. And so having a conscience they threw down their weapons of war, and would rather die than continue in something so evil. When we fight in an unjust war, that is not a Christian activity. Article of Faith 12 (obey laws of land) does not apply in wickedness. We are never commanded to be obedient in wickedness, but the condition is based on following righteous leaders. Otherwise Satan would win if all leaders in power became wicked. Thank God for men and women of conscience, who choose the right no matter what the consequence. With such examples in the Book of Mormon, I do not know how to come to any other conclusion than what I have stated. I believe it to be right. Captain Moroni fought for defense, only, and to protect liberty, family, etc. Even when the Nephites were threatened by the great host of Gadianton Robbers (or communists of their day), their prophet Gidgidoni was asked of the people where they could go to slay those wicked robbers, but he forbade them, because it was an offense.
3 Ne. 3: 19 Now it was the custom
among all the Nephites to appoint
for their chief captains, (save it
were in their times of wickedness)
some one that had the spirit of
revelation and also prophecy;
therefore, this Gidgiddoni was a
great prophet among them, as also
was the chief judge.
20 Now the people said unto
Gidgiddoni: Pray unto the Lord,
and let us go up upon the
mountains and into the wilderness,
that we may fall upon the robbers
and destroy them in their own
lands.
21 But Gidgiddoni saith unto them:
The Lord forbid; for if we should
go up against them the Lord would
deliver us into their hands;
therefore we will prepare
ourselves in the center of our
lands, and we will gather all our
armies together, and we will not
go against them, but we will wait
till they shall come against us;
therefore as the Lord liveth, if
we do this he will deliver them
into our hands.
and the Lord has said:
Alma 43: 46 And [the Nephites]
were doing that which they felt
was the duty which they owed to
their God; for the Lord had said
unto them, and also unto their
fathers, that: Inasmuch as ye are
not guilty of the first offense,
neither the second, ye shall not
suffer yourselves to be slain by
the hands of your enemies.
How does Hitler's war stack up against the Lord's commands tot he Nephites? Should we fight in unjust and wicked wars where men of power suppress the freedoms of others, and accomplish this through murder? God forbids it. Some people may have been confused in Hitler's war, God be the judge, but the Book of Mormon makes it CLEAR, and anyone who has this knowledge of the Book of Mormon had better heed it. If your grandfather was part of the SUBVERSIVE movements taking place behind Hitler's back, then great! All I know, is that wicked Lamanites had no Book of Mormon in their day, and yet they were stung for their murders, and threw down their weapons of war, and subjected themselves to death. |
| QUESTION from:Dan Hubrich, Latter-day Saint Christian, Age 25-34, wrote on 8/21/2001: | |
| I'm sorry if this question has already been asked but I can't find it on the web site. What (if any) is the church's standing on dinasaurs and carbon dating? I have never been able to get a solid answer from anyone. Some responses I've heard are so ludicrous I won't even mention them. The two that seem the most popular are 1)Since the earth was organized and not created from nothing, the bones along with the rock they are embedded in, may have come from another planet. 2) We don't know how long the creative periods were so therefore the dinasaurs could have lived and died like the scientists say: millions of years ago, before the fall. Here are my thoughts. Number one could be true I suppose, but if they were from another planet wouldn't they have been ressurected already? That's a whole other question. We know that numerous other worlds were and are being created. Were any of those worlds and their inhabitants ressurected before the coming of Christ to our earth? If the answer is yes then I doubt number 1 could be correct. Even if they could be from another planet, it doesn't make sense why God would mix the materials of two different planets when eventually they will have to be resurrected with their original materials. Answer 2 really doesn't make sense to me. Two truths that we know are that there was no death before the fall, and that the temporal existence of the earth is only 7,000 years. So according to that, it is irrelevent how long the creative periods were because there was no death. If the dinasaurs are from this earth, then they couldn't have died more than 6 or 7,000 years ago. This means our carbon dating is way off. I personally believe that our carbon dating is way off. They have found men who they say are hundreds of thousands of years old. They're obviously wrong about the human bones they find. Thanks for any responses. | |
I am in full and perfect agreement
with you. The dating systems are
wrong, but there is no way to
prove this except it be by a faith
in what is in the biblical records
about people living to 1000 years
old, as well as the doctrines
contained in the Book of Mormon
that Lehi and Alma taught
regarding the fall, death, and the
resurrection.
2 Nephi 2:22 And now, behold, if
Adam had not transgressed he would
not have fallen, but he would have
remained in the garden of Eden.
And all things which were created
must have remained in the same
state in which they were after
they were created; and they must
have remained forever, and had no
end.
23 And they would have had no
children; wherefore they would
have remained in a state of
innocence, having no joy, for they
knew no misery; doing no good, for
they knew no sin.
This scripture teaches that there was no death before the fall of Adam, that if he had not partaken of the fruit, that all things would have just remained in the SAME state in which they were after they were created, in other words, their perfect state. The scripture teaches that nothing was changing until the fall. As to you statements about the bones, and the resurrrection, it makes perfect sense, because Alma taught that all will be resurrected, bond and free, old, young, male, female, etc.: Alma 11: 44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. So since we know that since this restoration comes to all, that the elements of body and spirit come back together to form a perfect and permanent eternal union, the soul, the argument that the bones were left over from a previous earth loses credibility. All of these arguments are designed to placate the theories of science on carbon dating; to somehow let it stand as a constant. Yet we can see that it is not a constant. The first humans lived to 1000 years old. The earth was divided in the days of Peleg as told in the Bible, and we have major changes in a short time, during the Great Flood, which is also a scientific mystery. In fact, all of Jesus' miracles are scientific mysteries. The fact is that our God is much more advanced than our present science can fully explain or talk about. I'm not debunking science as much as I am just stating that it is limited when it comes to the mysteries and miracles of God, for which there can be no repeat in the laboratory of science. Miracles happen, and there is no science for that at the lower levels of understanding where we all now exist. Here's the bottom line: Man trusts in man too much. There needs to be trust in God only, God first, and then when we have mastered that, we can then trust in the things that man is doing which are in harmony with God. Nephi knew this, and he taught:
2 Ne. 4: 34 O Lord, I have
trusted in thee, and I will trust
in thee forever. I will not put my
trust in the arm of flesh; for I
know that cursed is he that
putteth his trust in the arm of
flesh. Yea, cursed is he that
putteth his trust in man or maketh
flesh his arm.
2 Ne. 28: 31 Cursed is he that
putteth his trust in man, or
maketh flesh his arm, or shall
hearken unto the precepts of men,
save their precepts shall be given
by the power of the Holy Ghost.
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| QUESTION from:Samantha Harris, Latter-day Saint Christian, Age 18-24, wrote on 8/22/2001: | |
| BOMA: There is this guy on a certain forum who says that we worship a different Jesus than other Christians. Why does he say that? Isn't Jesus Jesus? I'm a new convert, and he's really bothering me with this. Why are people so hateful towards us? | |
He says this to agitate you. It is
a form of persecution. If you two
were talking about George
Washington and did not agree on
somethings, he might as well
say "oh, you believe in a
_different_ George Washington."
Or if you didn't see eye to eye on the politics of say, Bill Clinton, he might as well say "oh, you believe in a _different_ Bill Clinton," when you both know it isn't true. You are both talking about the same person, yet people who do this are trying to agitate you and persecute you. Recognize it for what it is. It isn't fair, it isn't nice, and it isn't very tolerant or Christian.
2 Ne. 25: 28 And now behold, my
people, ye are a stiffnecked
people; wherefore, I have spoken
plainly unto you, that ye cannot
misunderstand. And the words which
I have spoken shall stand as a
testimony against you; for they
are sufficient to teach any man
the right way; for the right way
is to believe in Christ and deny
him not; for by denying him ye
also deny the prophets and the law.
29 And now behold, I say unto
you that the right way is to
believe in Christ, and deny him
not; and Christ is the Holy One of
Israel; wherefore ye must bow down
before him, and worship him with
all your might, mind, and
strength, and your whole soul; and
if ye do this ye shall in nowise
be cast out.
1 Ne. 22: 12 ...and they shall be
brought out of obscurity and out
of darkness; and they shall know
that the Lord is their Savior and
their Redeemer, the Mighty One of
Israel.
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| QUESTION from:Matthew Duke, Latter-day Saint Christian, Age 18-24, wrote on 8/22/2001: | |
| I'm interested in what's been said here recently about fighting in war, and how those people who fought with Germany aren't true Latter-day Saints. Like those who have written in so far to comment, I can't agree with every part of the answers given. I'd just like to ask how you harmonize what's been said with the First Presidency message from April 6, 1942 (which I can't find in full) that says: "The whole world is in the midst of a war that seems the worst of all time. The Church is a world- wide church. Its devoted members are in both camps. They are the innocent war instrumentalities of their warring sovereignties. On each side they believe they are fighting for home, country, and freedom. On each side, our brethren pray to the same God, in the same name, for victory. Both sides cannot be wholly right; perhaps neither is without wrong. God will work out in His own due time and in His own sovereign way the justice and right of the conflict but he will not hold the innocent instrumentalities of the war, our brethren in arms, responsible for the conflict." I mean no contention, but I'd like to understand this all better. Thank you very much. | |
Matthew: I can fully understand
how a worldwide Church would make
such a completely NEUTRAL official
statement. The First Presidency
has consistently taken such a
stand on matters political,
especially when it has to do with
sovereign countries. For the
Church to officially enter the
WWII fray would be to cause
several
countries to perhaps, always war
against the Church, for decades
and possibly centuries to come.
Don't let the
neutrality of the First
Presidency, the official spokesmen
for the Church, cloud the issue at
hand. As individuals, we can
speak our true feelings. As a
First Presidency, you can not.
You must speak what advances and
promotes the threefold mission of
the Church.Let me make my point: When the Roman soldiers killed Jesus Christ by crucifixion, they were "only following orders." Yet, they were not innocent in their abuses and lack of pause. Even Pilate paused, several times, and never personally abused the Christ (only got a little testy with Him when Jesus did not answer). Yet Pilate "washed his hands" of responsibility, and then consented to ordering the murder of Christ, whom he knew to be innocent (I find no fault with the man!), ...he acted in fear of the people. That's what's wrong here. People who act in fear, rather than by conscience and stand up for a principle that they know to be right. Pilate had to live with his bad decision, for the rest of his life. If they don't know, then they are not accountable, we all know that. We have many many "Roman soldiers" today, in various wars, in businesses, and throughout the world. Modern day "Roman soldiers" are men without enough thought or consideration, or who ignore their conscience and rationalize the evil things that they do for governments or corporations by saying that they have no choice. They might lose their jobs. They might get court-martialed. They might be killed. Everyone has a choice. Captain Von Trapp (in the Sound of Music, a true story), was such a man who would not cave to the political pressures of doing something against his conscience, and he took his family a fled. What a great example. In a war, there are certainly different degrees of responsibility, and God will be the final judge, but let us not forget the example in the Book of Mormon, where Lamanite men who lived in darkness without even the gospel of Jesus Christ, were "just following orders." Roman soldiers that they were, they could see through the wickedness of their orders, and they acted as men of conscience, threw down their weapons, and would rather die themselves than continue in doing the wrong thing. Alma 24: 25 And it came to pass that they threw down their weapons of war, and they would not take them again, for they were stung for the murders which they had committed; and they came down even as their brethren, relying upon the mercies of those whose arms were lifted to slay them. That's a pretty brave thing to do in a war, when all around you are others who have not made that commitment yet, and could kill you too. They became the ultimately committed "conscientious objectors" to the war at hand. They would rather die than to continue in it. Mormon too, in the war in which he fought, became a "conscientious objector" at one point, and "utterly refused to lead them" and then is the time that the Nephite armies took the offensive, went up to the Lamanite lands WITHOUT Mormon, and they lost. Mormon was the true hero. He was the true patriot, but he would not say, "I'll defend my country, right or wrong. My country may not always be right, but my country right or wrong." He wouldn't say that. As soon as they [the Nephites] were wrong, he became a conscientious objector, an idle onlooker.
Morm. 3: 11 And it came to pass
that I, Mormon, did utterly refuse
from this time forth to be a
commander and a leader of this
people, because of their
wickedness and abomination.
16 And it came to pass that I
utterly refused to go up against
mine enemies; and I did even as
the Lord had commanded me; and I
did stand as an idle witness to
manifest unto the world the things
which I saw and heard, according
to the manifestations of the
Spirit which had testified of
things to come.
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| QUESTION from:john frank parton, Non-Denominational Christian, Age 18-24, wrote on 8/25/2001: | |
| why have there been so Many changes to the Book Of Mormon since it's first printing as the most correct book and why does Hugh Nibley use a book of mormon the original version that contains so many mistakes | |
I don't know about Hugh Nibley,
except that he is a scholar, and
maybe likes to know things from
all angles.As to the changes, the first thing that comes to mind is the desire to put the book into chapters, and then verses, so it could be more organized and useful in a study setting. These thousands of changes, along with the added footnotes to show how the book relates to the other scriptures, add up to what some have said is a major change. I am glad that these "changes" were made. There were also a very few changes to some words in the Book as printing errors were discovered. The original manuscript that Joseph Smith and his scribes prepared, was perfect. The printers made some mistakes (probably trying to save time), and these were later discovered and corrected. I know that's a simplistic answer, yet the concept is true. Joseph Smith's work was done with the Urim and Thummim, and revelation, and was perfect. A typo is a terrible thing! |
| QUESTION from:Julie Hollar, Born Again Christian, Age 35-49, wrote on 8/25/2001: | |
| Did you realise that every beleiver is alive that has left this earth? Jesus said, "I am the way the truth and the life, he that beeliveth in me, tho he were dead, yet shall he live. And whosoever liveth and believeeth in me shall never die..." He said that before he died and went down into the prison that was called Paradise... Once His death and blood atonement was accepted by the Father at the moment of His death, those who then died went immediately into the presence of the Father... Those previous to that 'slept'. Now they go on... | |
Julie, there are scriptures which
teach what happened, and what
happens when people die. There is
a Spirit World, and there is a
resurrection that follows this
temporary spiritual state. Your
idea is as good as anyone elses as
far as ideas go, but it is only a
guess, because it can not be found
in the scriptures. So how would
you know it was true? There are
scriptures which do not agree with
what you have said.The Bible teaches that Jesus' spirit went to the spirit world and he preached to the spirits in prison (see Peter's writings). If he went to preach to them, we can see that they did not all go to the presence of the Father like you say. They were in the Spirit World, as spirits. In addition, there is the resurrection that MUST take place before people are judged. 1 Corinthians teaches "As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive," teaching that this restoration comes to all, because of Jesus Christ. We also have the examples from the Bible which show that many others were resurrected at the time of Christ's resurrection. We also see that Christ has a body of flesh and bone, for he said to the fearing apostles:
Luke 24: 39 Behold my hands and my
feet, that it is I myself: handle
me, and see; for a spirit hath not
flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Alma taught:
Alma 11: 44 Now, this restoration
shall come to all, both old and
young, both bond and free, both
male and female, both the wicked
and the righteous; and even there
shall not so much as a hair of
their heads be lost; but every
thing shall be restored to its
perfect frame, as it is now, or in
the body, and shall be brought and
be arraigned before the bar of
Christ the Son, and God the
Father, and the Holy Spirit, which
is one Eternal God, to be judged
according to their works, whether
they be good or whether they be
evil.
The Book of Revelation backs this up as well, saying: Rev. 20: 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. So we see that faith and works are both important. Our works must manifest our faith. They must be good. We will be judged by our works. We will be saved by the grace of God. Nephi wrote:
2 Ne. 25: 23 For we labor
diligently to write, to persuade
our children, and also our
brethren, to believe in Christ,
and to be reconciled to God; for
we know that it is by grace that
we are saved, after all we can do.
James taught:
James 2: 26 For as the body
without the spirit is dead, so
faith without works is dead also.
Works matter, and so does faith. They go together. We need to have good works with our faith, at least as a sign to ourselves that our faith is effective. If we never do any good works, then our faith must be dead too.
James 2: 20 But wilt thou know, O
vain man, that faith without works
is dead?
Alma further taught about the
Spirit World:
Alma 40: 11 Now, concerning the
state of the soul between death
and the resurrection-Behold, it
has been made known unto me by an
angel, that the spirits of all
men, as soon as they are departed
from this mortal body, yea, the
spirits of all men, whether they
be good or evil, are taken home to
that God who gave them life.
12 And then shall it come to pass,
that the spirits of those who are
righteous are received into a
state of happiness, which is
called paradise, a state of rest,
a state of peace, where they shall
rest from all their troubles and
from all care, and sorrow.
13 And then shall it come to pass,
that the spirits of the wicked,
yea, who are evil-for behold, they
have no part nor portion of the
Spirit of the Lord; for behold,
they chose evil works rather than
good; therefore the spirit of the
devil did enter into them, and
take possession of their house-and
these shall be cast out into outer
darkness; there shall be weeping,
and wailing, and gnashing of
teeth, and this because of their
own iniquity, being led captive by
the will of the devil.
14 Now this is the state of the
souls of the wicked, yea, in
darkness, and a state of awful,
fearful looking for the fiery
indignation of the wrath of God
upon them; thus they remain in
this state, as well as the
righteous in paradise, until the
time of their resurrection.
15 Now, there are some that have
understood that this state of
happiness and this state of misery
of the soul, before the
resurrection, was a first
resurrection. Yea, I admit it may
be termed a resurrection, the
raising of the spirit or the soul
and their consignation to
happiness or misery, according to
the words which have been spoken.
16 And behold, again it hath been
spoken, that there is a first
resurrection, a resurrection of
all those who have been, or who
are, or who shall be, down to the
resurrection of Christ from the
dead.
READ MORE OF
THIS ACCOUNT OF ALMA's TEACHINGS
ON THE SPIRIT WORLD AND
RESURRECTION.
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| QUESTION from:David Saenz, Latter-day Saint Christian, Age 18-24, wrote on 8/28/2001: | |
| I am grateful for you answer concerning the WWII. I believe that matters such as these are really left to the Lord to decide and guide every individual according to His spirit. Was there another way to obtain the plates? Probably. But the Lord commanded Nephi to slay Laban. In the commandments it says thou shalt not kill. But Nephi obeyed the Lord. Let us follow the Spirit, because ultimately in the grand scheme of things he knows best -- for our family and our posterity. If the LDS Germans would have revolted would it have made a difference probably not, they would have probably also been killed and many of the LDS members in Germany today might have not received the gospel, or been born in the gospel. It is the Lord that knows and guides his people, He knows the intents of their hearts, He knows their desires, and He can see far beyond we can. Let us be careful when judging, for the Lord ultimately knows the truth and knows what is best for all of His children. Joseph Smith said that what ever the Lord commanded was right. I also believe that, that what the Lord commands by the power of the Holy Ghost is right. For anyone to say this or that is wrong based upon scripture is not the way of the Lord. Ultimately it is the spirit that confirms to our hearts the truth. The Pharisees also judged by the letter of the word. But would it not be better to judge by the Spirit, who comprehends the situations the motives, the weaknesses, the strengths. The Spirit knows, but we as humans most likely don't know what is like to be in the shoes of someone else. G_d knows our intents whether it is to preserve a family, and to preserve a life, or to wage war. 15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. I believe we can only judge in righteousness when we have the Spirit, and ask G_d The Father of us all what is right in His eyes. What might be good for one occasion might not be for another. The Lord judge of all knoweth. | |
I agree with you that we should
always follow the Spirit, and
sometimes we don't fully
understand things. However, I can
think of no instance where the
Lord sanctioned the murder of
innocent people for some higher
cause. Laban was a good example, but he was a murderer in his heart (by trying to kill Nephi and his brothers), and he was a robber and would not listen to the voice of the Lord. The Lord certainly judged him when He told Nephi what to do with him. The only other example from scripture that I can think of when innocent children died is when Saul and his armies were commanded of the Lord to slay the Amalekites: men, women, and children, and spare not. It must have been another judgement of the Lord similar to Sodom and Gomorrah where there were no good people left (excepting the children). Or the flood where all were wicked, and got judged. Or the many instances in the Book of Mormon where judgements came upon the wicked. Judgements don't come on righteous cities, however. How do the Jews fit into this? Are we going to suggest that the Jews were wicked, and the German Saints righteous, and God used them to judge the Jews? Heaven forbid. That's not true. Or how about the other countries that were conquered by Germany and its allies in the short term battles? They waged an offense, and any "Christian" working for the advancement of that then evil force to hurt innocent and sometimes defenseless peoples could never be a good thing. There is a big difference between these wars waged by man, and the judgements ordered by the Lord. Why can't we just call a spade a spade, instead of trying to find the good in the evil? If German saints were involved, they must have been deceived. Alma was deceived. People DO get deceived. Hitler deceived a lot of people. Was Alma "good" when he was deceived? Was he innocent because he was deceived? No. He had to repent. Was Saul innocent because he felt he was doing his duty to God and country when he slew Christians, and sanctioned their deaths? No. He suffered for those sins of being deceived, and got blindness for a while. He had to repent and realize what he was doing. Deceived he was. Alma said: Alma 36: 16 And now, for three days and for three nights was I racked, even with the pains of a damned soul. I am not judging all the German Saints who fought in WW II. I am hoping that some valiant young men who may at a future date find themselves in a war, will follow the Spirit fully, and be brave enough to be a conscientious objector, as Mormon became, when the cause became UNJUST. Mormon was the ultimate warrior, leader of armies. Yet he knew when it was time to quit the army. We must have men like that in the future. Leaders who will stand up for truth and right. |
| QUESTION from:Rodric A Johnson, Latter-day Saint Christian, Age 18-24, wrote on 8/30/2001: | |
| I read the response to the explanation given by David Saenz in Record:8800. I do believe that you missed the point. I felt the spirit while I read it, but you tried to justify the things that you wrote in other responses to you position. Heavenly Father has sanctioned the death of the innocent for a greater good. The atonement, the 1,000 of Anti-Lehe Nephites slain by the Lamanites, Joseph Smith, and many more. We must be care as was said by David to not make Heavenly Father fit out own little image of Him, but to know Him as her really is. What is done in one situation and is wrong, my not be wrong in another. Truthfully, Hitler was a fulfiller of Prophesy. I hate the evil that he did, but our country did the same thing to the Lamanites. we murder countless people to get this country. It fulfilled prophesy them also. | |
Rodric: an interesting
perspective you have on the
Hitler/Lamanite issue. Of course,
I don't agree with it. This whole
topic is really an interesting
one, and is fraught with
controversy because of the wide
and varied positions that people
have on these topics. War is
confusing. I hope that you don't
feel that I am trying to
justify "my" position on this, for
I have merely pointed out what the
Book of Mormon has to say. The
Book of Mormon teaches that we are
not to take an offense in war. It
is only justified in defense. I
don't understand how the US was
justified in many of its wars to
go to other lands and fight
the "enemy" there. I have to ask
what constitutional business
do/did we have there? I'm pretty
much against ALL UN wars, for I
know that we do not have a right
to be a global cop to other
nations. You know, the UN would
have snuffed out the Founding
Fathers, and we would have no
United States. It would have
squelched the "rebellion."I do not see how our constitution allows for us to go fight on foreign lands in foreign wars. Even the Book of Mormon gives example after example of how war is only justified in a defense position, and that when the Nephites went to the Lamanite territory to fight, they lost. Our constitution speaks of war to protect our own country, not to police the world. This international stuff is tricky, at best. That's why it is controversial. But let me address one of your arguments :) You said "same thing" when comparing what Hitler did to other countries to what our country did to the Lamanites. Let's appeal to what the Book of Mormon says: how this land, America, is the "promised land," and that when a people who possesses it does not worship Jesus Christ, who is the God of this land, they will be swept off the face of this land. That's what happened to the Lamanites, they fell away from Jesus Christ completely, so it was a judgement of God. They no longer deserved this land or had a right to it. The Lord said to Nephi about his land:
1 Ne. 2: 20 And inasmuch as ye
shall keep my commandments, ye
shall prosper, and shall be led to
a land of promise; yea, even a
land which I have prepared for
you; yea, a land which is choice
above all other lands.
Ether 2: 10 For behold, this is a
land which is choice above all
other lands; wherefore he that
doth possess it shall serve God or
shall be swept off; for it is the
everlasting decree of God. And it
is not until the fulness of
iniquity among the children of the
land, that they are swept off.
11 And this cometh unto you, O ye
Gentiles, that ye may know the
decrees of God-that ye may repent,
and not continue in your
iniquities until the fulness come,
that ye may not bring down the
fulness of the wrath of God upon
you as the inhabitants of the land
have hitherto done.
12 Behold, this is a choice land,
and whatsoever nation shall
possess it shall be free from
bondage, and from captivity, and
from all other nations under
heaven, if they will but serve the
God of the land, who is Jesus
Christ, who hath been manifested
by the things which we have
written.
This is the promised land where the gospel of Jesus Christ would go forth. If Joseph Smith lived in Germany in 1800, and the Lord restored his church there, it may have grown for a while, but Hitler would have snuffed that out because there was no constitution in place to preserve and protect freedom. But this country is different. We have a foundation of freedom and a wonderful constitution that has been set up, that if heeded, we will be all right. There will be no "kings" on the face of this land, ever, until Jesus comes again and is our King. What about the Lamanites? Well, they had the best land in the world! The promised land. And did they worship Jesus Christ? They fell away from Jesus Christ and in His own due time, he had them swept off the land by other people. Do they really "deserve" this land if they don't even worship God? A lost and fallen people, regardless of culture or "rights," God cares maybe a little about "culture" but everything eternal depends on a persons true spirituality and worship of the only true God: The Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Worshipping Mother Earth and praying to different gods of earth does not qualify for pleasing God. It qualifies for losing the promised land. If we could just get away from "human rights" issues for a minute, and accept what the Lord has said about this land, and not what man continues to teach about "rights" and reparations for past "wrongs," etc. Finally, you mention many innocent people that died in the cause of Jesus Christ. You and I could call each one of these a "Martyr." This is different than being a victim of murder or war against innocent people. Martyrs often give their life willingly for their cause. Martyrs could often forsake their faith and usually live. They can often flee the danger. They could deny the Christ, and ususally live. This is a very different thing than what took place in WW II which had nothing to do with standing up for your testimony in Christ. It had to do with power, thirst for blood, conquest, and other evils associated with "king men" who sought to take away the freedom of others. It has to do with power, nothing else...and when certain people "got in the way" they were eliminated. Pure evil. I know you are not implying that there is the judgement of God on the nations that Hitler oppressed... Or on the many millions of innocent people he killed... I don't see God in it at all. I see satan in it. And I don't see a promised land that people had to be swept off of. |
| QUESTION from:Ryan Hadlow, Latter-day Saint Christian, Age 18-24, wrote on 8/30/2001: | |
| Alright I know that this is not pertinent to my salvation in any way, but I had an interesting question. In the pre existence we were with our heavenly father and resided with him. When he brought forth the plan of salvation it was basically between the Savior and Lucifer to be the ones to redeem us from sin and death. The question I have is sort of deep. We know Satan was thrust from God's presence because of his rebellion. He also wanted the glory of God and wanted the dethrone him and have us worship him. What made Satan do this? There needed to be tempter of some sort. He was like us and "gave in" to the selfishness which we know is in opposition to God. What made Lucifer, who definately was pretty superior, go to the other side and is now he is annoying us. What or who made him think to fight against his Father? 2 Nephi supports this thought in chapter 2 verses 11,27. Basically dealing with agency. I was just wondering and wanted to see if you had any ideas. I have read that we were not sinless in heaven. Answers, by Joseph Fielding McConkie talks about it and refers to DC 93:38. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind letting me know what you thought. thanks. | |
Ryan, I don't think there needed
to be a tempter, to tempt Lucifer
in the premortal existence.
Lucifer and his followers knew
what they were doing. They were
sons of perdition in the worst
way, totally ungrateful and doing
what they did with full knowledge
and light. They were extremely
selfish and ungrateful spirits.
When we think on what faith is, we can imagine its opposition, which is "temptation." Temptation is the voice of satan, and faith is leaning to the Holy Ghost. Lehi in speaking about this probationary state spoke of the need for opposition:
2 Nephi 2:11 For it must needs be,
that there is an opposition in all
things. If not so, my first-born
in the wilderness, righteousness
could not be brought to pass,
neither wickedness, neither
holiness nor misery, neither good
nor bad. Wherefore, all things
must needs be a compound in one;
wherefore, if it should be one
body it must needs remain as dead,
having no life neither death, nor
corruption nor incorruption,
happiness nor misery, neither
sense nor insensibility.
16 Wherefore, the Lord God gave
unto man that he should act for
himself. Wherefore, man could not
act for himself save it should be
that he was enticed by the one or
the other.
When we were in the presence of the Father, however, we needed no faith, for we knew. We saw. We heard. As Alma says, our faith is dormant because we knew (see Alma 32). When we come to earth, we need faith to remember the good things we previously learned, as the Holy Ghost witnesses to the heart of the person who is ready. Temptations are also operative in this life where we walk by faith, to give us the choice to choose evil as well, if that is our inclination or weakness. It's our test. Temptations are the opposition to the promptings of the Holy Ghost, who helps us to see more clearly in the dark. In the presence of the Father, however, we walked in light and were surrounded by knowledge. There was no mistaking what we were choosing. The same is true for Lucifer. That's why it was so bad. He and all his followers were Sons (and daughters) of Perdition, coming out in open rebellion against the God of Light, starting a war with their God, and calling Light darkness, and darkness light. That's the unpardonable sin committed by 1/3 part of the hosts of heaven. Sure there was sin in the Premortal Existence, for we know from scripture that there was a war in heaven. And the sinners got cast out. |
| QUESTION from:Abbey Davis, Latter-day Saint Christian, Age 1-17, wrote on 9/1/2001: | |
| HI!!! My question is about patriarchal Blessings. When can you get one? How do u know if you are worthy enough to recieve it. and if you could please tell me a little more about it. Thank you very much!! | |
Abbey: I don't believe it matters
much how old you are, but it is a
good idea to know what you are
receiving when it happens, in my
opinion. In the Book of Mormon,
Lehi blesses his sons and also the
sons of Ishmael (Ishmael died on
the journey over to the promised
land, and therefore coudn't bless
his sons...). Lehi said:
2 Ne. 1: 28 And now my son, Laman,
and also Lemuel and Sam, and also
my sons who are the sons of
Ishmael, behold, if ye will
hearken unto the voice of Nephi ye
shall not perish. And if ye will
hearken unto him I leave unto you
a blessing, yea, even my first
blessing.
2 Nephi 4:2 For behold, [Lehi]
truly prophesied concerning all
his seed. And the prophecies which
he wrote, there are not many
greater. And he prophesied
concerning us, and our future
generations; and they are written
upon the plates of brass.
9 And he spake unto them, saying:
Behold, my sons and my daughters,
who are the sons and the daughters
of my second son; behold I leave
unto you the same blessing which I
left unto the sons and daughters
of Laman; wherefore, thou shalt
not utterly be destroyed; but in
the end thy seed shall be blessed.
10 And it came to pass that when
my father had made an end of
speaking unto them, behold, he
spake unto the sons of Ishmael,
yea, and even all his household.
11 And after he had made an end of
speaking unto them, he spake unto
Sam, saying: Blessed art thou, and
thy seed; for thou shalt inherit
the land like unto thy brother
Nephi. And thy seed shall be
numbered with his seed; and thou
shalt be even like unto thy
brother, and thy seed like unto
his seed; and thou shalt be
blessed in all thy days.
12 And it came to pass after my
father, Lehi, had spoken unto all
his household, according to the
feelings of his heart and the
Spirit of the Lord which was in
him, he waxed old. And it came to
pass that he died, and was buried.
He spoke to all, regardless of age, regardless of worthiness, Lehi prophesied concerning all his family and their posterity yet to come forth. He had warnings for those who were not living worthily. Patriarchal Blessings today are done by a Stake Patriarch. These men of God fast and prepare for each blessing that they will give, and ask that the receiver do the same. Then the Lord's Spirit can be there in great abundance as the gift of the blessing is bestowed. Counsel, warnings, admonitions, and blessings are given. The Lord knows each of us personally, and His Spirit can work through a prophet. A Patriarch is like a prophet If you are interested, read about blessings in the scriptures. Read about the blessings of Israel to his 12 sons in the Old Testament. Read about the blessings of Lehi to his familiy in the Book of Mormon. Then, go to see your Bishop and talk with him about getting a Patriarchal Blessing. |
| QUESTION from:Craig Chlarson, Latter-day Saint Christian, Age 25-34, wrote on 9/2/2001: | |
| There is a rumor floating around that the manuscripts lost by Martin Harris have resurfaced and the church has obtained them. Is there any validity to this rumor? | |
I believe that those manuscripts
lost by Martin Harris were no good
anyway, because they were altered
by the enemy's minions.Speaking to Joseph Smith, the Lord said about the lost manuscripts:
D&C 3: 12 And when thou
deliveredst up that which God had
given thee sight and power to
translate, thou deliveredst up
that which was sacred into the
hands of a wicked man,
13 Who has set at naught the
counsels of God, and has broken
the most sacred promises which
were made before God, and has
depended upon his own judgment and
boasted in his own wisdom.
14 And this is the reason that
thou hast lost thy privileges for
a season-
D&C 10: 10 And, behold, Satan
hath put it into their hearts to
alter the words which you have
caused to be written, or which you
have translated, which have gone
out of your hands.
11 And behold, I say unto you,
that because they have altered the
words, they read contrary from
that which you translated and
caused to be written;
13 For he hath put into their
hearts to do this, that by lying
they may say they have caught you
in the words which you have
pretended to translate.
14 Verily, I say unto you, that I
will not suffer that Satan shall
accomplish his evil design in this
thing.
30 Behold, I say unto you, that
you shall not translate again
those words which have gone forth
out of your hands;
31 For, behold, they shall not
accomplish their evil designs in
lying against those words. For,
behold, if you should bring forth
the same words they will say that
you have lied and that you have
pretended to translate, but that
you have contradicted yourself.
32 And, behold, they will publish
this, and Satan will harden the
hearts of the people to stir them
up to anger against you, that they
will not believe my words.
From this account, it appears to me that the original manuscript is of little value, since it has been altered significantly. That portion of the Book of Mormon (the Book of Lehi) is not in the Book of Mormon today. It is a good thing that Nephi was so diligent and inspired of the Lord, that most of Lehi's teachings were covered in his writings too. As for the "rumor," I would wait until an official word before believing a rumor. I've heard nothing. |
| QUESTION from:Julie Hollar, Born Again Christian, Age 35-49, wrote on 9/4/2001: | |
| The book of Nephi 25:23 states: for we know it is by grace that we are saved, AFTER ALL WE CAN DO... Whereas the Bible, in Ephesians 2:8+9 states: for by grace are ye saved, THROUGH FAITH, not of works lest any man should boast... There's a big difference - which should we believe? | |
There's only a difference if you
look at FAITH as a passive thing,
and if you ignore some Bible
scriptures. Why did you not
mention James 2:17?Faith IS works. Faith is an action verb. Faith is doing something, it is more than mere belief. Faith motivates to action, to works. There will be works. It takes WORK to have true faith. It takes effort. What Nephi taught is true: 2 Ne. 25: 23 For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. You could come away with an entirely different meaning of Ephesians 2:8,9 if you look at faith or works by themself. True it is, that works will not save you. Works without faith is dead. But James also taught that Faith without Works is dead, being alone.
James 2: 17 Even so faith, if it
hath not works, is dead, being
alone.
James 2: 20 But wilt thou know, O
vain man, that faith without works
is dead?
James 2: 26 For as the body
without the spi |